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Maddie · Jan 05, 2006, 11:38 AM // 11:38

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Originally Posted by gotenks

In 3 days, thanks to the observer mode I have seen Countless IWAYS (including MATH 6-7 times) defeated Flawlessly or very easily by various other builds. Almost 95% of them had one thing common :

- They all had a curse necro with SS/malaise/parasitic bond
- They all had a Warder
- They all had a Tainted/Putrid/well of profane Necro

Seems to me that these three enable you to be Anti-IWAY without being too specialized and loosing out to other builds. Although all teams that are observed are top notch, so player skill is definately something that is most important to being Anti-IWAY

I don't think that you read this topic well.. It is about the tactics of beating IWAY.. When you change your build to IWAY you will be beated by others, and that's the problem of beating IWAY in GvG

JR · Jan 05, 2006, 01:00 PM // 13:00

I'm not asking this to be nasty, but just out of pure curiosity, what decent guilds have Math beaten?

Maddie · Jan 05, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

as far as I know we didnt fight any top 5 guild or so. But hey the history is gone now, since we have played a lot of fun matches since ladder is frozen

Effendi Westland · Jan 05, 2006, 04:51 PM // 16:51

oooo play esoteric warriors sometime, would love to see that

anyways gj for MATH to have gotton the rank they have, i think most ppl flaming them are in guilds that rank waaaay lower then them........ hmmm i'm in a guild like that.... should i hate IWAY now? I'm confused

Cyreal · Jan 05, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by Lews

I love how MATH has their rank in their guild tag. they're so proud.

If my guild was top 50, I would also be proud

Still, top 5000 is good enough for us ^^

dbgtboy · Jan 05, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

i havent gvged much with the guild but i know weve beaten Rave, Grime twice, smurfs of high ranked guilds, and a lot of those new r9+ guilds.

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Originally Posted by Effendi Westland

oooo play esoteric warriors sometime, would love to see that

weve faced them before when we were playign with henchies and paladin templates and we got 1 of their guys killed before losing lol.

Effendi Westland · Jan 05, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by dbgtboy

weve faced them before when we were playign with henchies and paladin templates and we got 1 of their guys killed before losing lol.

I actually saw you guys doing that (using 4 or more henchies), not vs esoteric i think.

Trying things out now the ladder is locked ey?

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jan 05, 2006, 07:08 PM // 19:08

Beating IWAY always has been and always will be simple.

Some methods:

For Spike Builds: Spike spirits, warriors, then monks
For Split Squad: Outmaneuver them and keep them from staying in a place with spirits for very long. Gank 'em when you can.
For Pressure Builds: Hold them back, head around and gank
For All other Builds: A curses necro is your friend

IWAY always has and always will be a low-skill build that is easy to play. That doesn't necessarily mean that MATH is a bunch of idiot n00bs... they play a simple build very well. But then again it's always easy to beat if you know what you're doing. Anyone who actually kills the pets first does deserve to loose...

C N Ro · Jan 05, 2006, 08:32 PM // 20:32

monks??

Maddie · Jan 05, 2006, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Lol, they dont even know our GvG build
First start to post our build here that might help..
(not normal IWAY for people who think that)

C N Ro · Jan 05, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

ah Maddie...i love u man....

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jan 05, 2006, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by C N Ro

monks??

Whoever their healers are... there are quite a few different variations of IWAY.

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Originally Posted by Maddie

Lol, they dont even know our GvG build
First start to post our build here that might help..
(not normal IWAY for people who think that)

It's interesting to see that when I refer to IWAY you snobishly assume that I am talking about you.

C N Ro · Jan 05, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

@Domlord ---if someone heals than it is the Nec/monk.... and noone else....

and to kill spirits first...hmmm...what should i say...i think its a waste of time...with iway u make enough damage....when u think about the spirits...maybe it is a tactic to split the enemys team...

think about that

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jan 05, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by C N Ro

@Domlord ---if someone heals than it is the Nec/monk.... and noone else....

and to kill spirits first...hmmm...what should i say...i think its a waste of time...with iway u make enough damage....when u think about the spirits...maybe it is a tactic to split the enemys team...

think about that

I distinctly remember flawlessing your asses with a split squad that made you run arround while we ganked you. The spirits are easy to pick off for a spiker, and they take enough of a punch out of IWAY to make it worth the few seconds it takes to dispose of them.

Also, it would be quite nice of you to read my previous post where I clarify what I meant by "monk".

Xx Devour Xx · Jan 05, 2006, 10:44 PM // 22:44

oh Maddie....i think noone likes us
its ok guys....if u dont like MATH...than...try to beat us :P

kk give me ur ign ill round up some ppl u get ur math grp together and well c lookin forward to it

Markov Ada · Jan 05, 2006, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by C N Ro

monks??

Many people refer to characters that primarily heal as monks. Even though N/Mo's are technically necros, It's easy to assume for heal party spamming, N/Mo is better than Mo/N and E/Mo, in situations where you constantly have pets and spirits dieing to fuel up soul reaping, not to mention if you have a similar partner to exchange blood rituals with.

Fanta · Jan 05, 2006, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by BigTru

To make it to the top 50 with a build that is normally concidered "shitty" means you are a skilled player.

Just a few days agao, I saw XoO beat in GvG by a top 10 team (forgot who) of all Pre-made Paladins (except one, who was carrying Martyr and "To the Limit!").

Tell me that isn't skill...

rofl, that was us, but we arent top10, we are rank 39

JR · Jan 06, 2006, 01:40 AM // 01:40

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Originally Posted by BigTru

Just a few days agao, I saw XoO beat in GvG by a top 10 team (forgot who) of all Pre-made Paladins (except one, who was carrying Martyr and "To the Limit!").

Tell me that isn't skill...

Considering the XoO main divisions runs 'grab 8 and go' GvG with players fresh out of PvE, I wouldn't say beating them was any measure of skill for a top ten guild running anything. Beating the XoO ladder division, yes.

a cadet · Jan 06, 2006, 01:58 AM // 01:58

Has anyone considered ganking the Guild Lord a strategy when facing IWAY teams?

There is minimal healing (2 N/Mo the way [MATH] does it), so it seems to me that IWAY will have trouble defending their Guild Lord in such an event.

I remember some time back i was watcing a GvG of Team Union vs pRp, and all that Uni did was stall at the flag stand. They split up, put 2 warriors and a monk within ganking range, and the rest of the team by the flag. pRp was ranger spike, and although they got up to 10% morale, they couldnt fight their way into Uni's base without the ganking team running in and threatening their GL. The result was that Uni waited until Victory or Death, then they bodyblocked the monks and ganked the Guild Lord easily.

Wouldnt a comporable strategy work vs IWAY? for example, send out ~3 players with the capabilities to knock out the Guild Lord, then just use hide near the NPCs until you can gank. Especially vs IWAY, im sure you could use the Pin Down to great effect, and then just gank faster than the IWAY should they run in?

I havent actually faced a decent IWAY in GvG, so i dont really know.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jan 06, 2006, 03:28 AM // 03:28

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Originally Posted by JR-

Considering the XoO main divisions runs 'grab 8 and go' GvG with players fresh out of PvE, I wouldn't say beating them was any measure of skill for a top ten guild running anything. Beating the XoO ladder division, yes.

We do seem to have developed a habit of screwing arround too much during the offseason. Try us again when we're actually playing to win and I think you'll find it's a bit different.